Thread:Undella/@comment-27.59.56.170-20170418172453/@comment-29694966-20170429025827

I am not saying all the changes made were bad. Some of the changes are great and are indeed praiseworthy: - The new infoboxes and navigation boxes are superbly done. - It is great decision to standardize the naming of media pages and nicely executed. - The subtle font change also fits into everything perfectly. Rubi Japanese typecast also created a cleaner look. - Though it hasn't happen yet, the more professional wikia looks should attract new contributors.

I am well aware of the good you have done and also the shortcomings of previous version. I have not mentioned the points above, mainly because they are already completed, and require no additional actions.

Getting fame and recognition doesn't really interest me much. By now, you should realize how hard it's to write great Wikia pages, especially for ones with long paragraphs. Even if I made the most contribution on some of the pages, the better pages are usually the final products of multiple contributors through numerous edits, while some of the crappy ones are my first drafts that I can claim as my own.

The current format has better appearance and can have more potential. In terms of organization, all I am saying are: 1) you need character navigation setup, and 2) some KonoSuba characters need extra emphasis on ability section, while others need extra emphasis on different section.

What the previous version had better though are the contents. It already has Job Class list that Upcear is asking about. The skill descriptions there are also reviewed and more accurate, among other things. It makes no sense to purge majority of old contents, without any plans to review and add back useful contents.

The insistence to merge Chris and Eris pages is also very perplexing. Both Chris and Eris have their own important and unique roles in the story. Even without reader complaints, it is easy to see how messy it is to forcefully merge two key characters' info pages, especially with the big reveal later and how Chris/Eris makes alternating showings sometimes. It is much easier to just keep two separate pages, and set them up similar to how the story unfolds. It makes little sense to insist on using the harder method, and then argue with wikia readers when it turned out badly.

Wikia Admins don't have to know and do everything themselves, but they do need to set some directions for the wiki, listen to what people say, and avoid some unpopular actions. My seething commentaries is actually more about behaviors I thought admins should never do, such as locking pages to settle edit dispute, casually editting user's profile pages, and Angelo's comment on his wall. The comment about search operator can be informative, but it is definitely not something an admin should recommend, certainly not in that context (may want to edit out the comment later). I'm also lamenting about how the wiki is left incomplete, and disappearance of all the former contributors.

As for the invite to join the edits, I'll have to take a rain check on that. I'm not really motivated about Wikia Editting right now, mostly for other personal reasons, but I also don't want to waste time and just see most of the edits get deleted later. Many of the edits are already there in the deleted contents. The original contents are added, because either the readers had asked the related questions before, or at least one of former editors thought they are important. You can pick and choose what items to add back, and change them to the format style you like. My main purpose is more to see if Undella can help me get copies of the deleted pages.

If the holdup on Character navigation is about how to organize the character list, I can write up a detailed recommendation on the organization later. You can set up Navigation Boxes for 5 groupings: Adventurers, Crimson Demons, Nobility/Government, Friendly Monsters, and Antagonists. You will need some subgroups for easier viewing and there will be some overlaps, but such organization will account for all the available characters. Also, since you wanted the wikia in certain way, you may want to outline the expected section setups, and any special requirement like length limits, style, and/or material source. Then, post the guideline in the community section or someplace visible.